Originally by: Dramaticus

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what about the fact that you just cut in half all other drone DPS, which is what motherships will still spend 95% of their time using because no one is going to risk fighters/fighterbombers while smartbombing carriers are still being deployed.

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Originally by: Agmar

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I think the most interesting thing that Nozh said that every post I've read is glossing over is the fact that DCU's are broken and are being rebalanced.... and he's right.

The last time I fit a DCU was in 2006. If this mod becomes useful, this might not be a horrible thing.

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Originally by: Agmar

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You are correct, and I agree completely with you. DCU's as they are now, are absolutely worthless. If Nozh says that they're being changed, and boosted, say to allow a per level bonus... they may not be horrible. Allowing 1-2 extra drones per level of whatever skill that is could allow for this change to be not worthless.

However, the rationality behind this change seems to be flawed. It is as if someone arbitrarily picked a mod that no one used and decided it needed to be balanced. I'd have preferred that they spend their time on nos/neuts, but w/e.

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Originally by: The Mittani

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Edited by: The Mittani on 12/11/2009 16:17:46
Another seriouspost: What on earth is going on in your dev environment when you assign a team of random devs to re-do the already completed/settled work of a previous team?

The primary reason why the nullsec playerbase is even vaguely considering the Dominion sov changes in a positive light is because the known architects of the design was /one of us/. Someone we know understands the game and all the things that can go wrong with it. When Soundwave or Abathur mouth off about sov, we can at least know that they understand where we're coming from.

Similarly: the supercapital changes were, until now, designed by someone who flew the damn things extensively, logged many hours pvping in them, and lost a titan to boot. Abathur has cred on supercapital changes. Who are you, Nozh? How many hours have you logged in a supercap? Where does your team's credibility on these new, unasked-for supercapital changes come from?

Leave nullsec and capital changes to devs who actually have some shred of credibility/experience in design.

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Originally by: Minmatar citizen4561451

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Originally by: Umberto Tann

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Originally by: Minmatar citizen4561451

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if even HALF the people here complaining about the change, and subsequently threatening to cancel their accounts, actually followed through on their threats...CCP would have something to be worried about.

the problem is, this happens before EVERYmajor patch. Some huge change hits and people cry. Remember the ship HP buff? how about Nano-nerf? Now Moms are being changed in a way adverse to what you all might want, and here we are, a thread full of whiney babies.

You dont like it, dont play....but as far as I can see, 9k DPS out of a mothership is pretty beefy. Quit your raging and either take it like a man/woman...or quit like you say you will.

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Losing 2/3rds of a multi billion costing ship, and i should take it like a man? This is not like a nano nerf.

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do you want a refund on your battleships when the trit prices plummet too? things change. CCP isng going to "refund" people who spent the old price on the ship. At the time you bought your ship, you pid what it was worth in that market. Now you're upset because someone is going to be able to buy the same ship for less. Boy I hope you dont go to your supermarket and cry that you were 2 weeks late to the sales week...

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Originally by: karttoon

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Edited by: karttoon on 12/11/2009 16:52:50
Oh god. I was called a troll when I previously suggested that CCP had no clue what they were attempting to change with Dominion, and still didn't have things figured out beyond conceptual ideas before fan fest. If you want to make a gimped version of the MS, then release a new capital hull at the costs you posted.

With all of these last minute off the top of your head design changes, how the hell do you expect to release completely new game mechanics in 2 weeks and not expect everything to break horribly? Have you even figured out how to do this yet?

CCP Management: If by this time your team hasn't figured out essentials like the new supercapital mechanics, or painfully analyzed and tested the new sovereignty mechanics, you need to accept your failure to plan properly and delay the implementation date of this patch. Your staff has evidently dropped the ball here, and letting them proceed with significant changes like this half-assed will probably be the second most embarrassing thing your company has done. Stop putting people in charge of making critical decisions on mechanics changes that do not have a clue how our game is played.

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Originally by: Pradege D'Hallur

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Just when you thought the patch could not get an worse...........

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Originally by: Sir JoJo

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im just putting my 2 cent, LOL @ all the whine, looks like some great changes, to both moms and titan, looking forward to see suppercarriers getting a real role, as anti capital whit no siege,

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Originally by: Succubine

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Titans and Supercarriers are fine now. The rare, expensive and deadly toys they were meant to be.

Well done CCP.

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Originally by: Arcanim Al'Seif

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Originally by: Shad0wsFury

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These emo tears are delicious.

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Good thing that just like dreads/carriers you can dock them, allowing you to not have to use a garage account to stay in it permanently...no...wait...

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Originally by: Shigsy

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Delete posts quicker, thread is still growing

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Originally by: Minmatar citizen4561451

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Originally by: Sarah Norbulk

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It's been 9 pages and no Dev has come back to say why Moms got nerfed. I wonder if that's because they just don't have one, except maybe to pad their wallets.

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how does nerfing something help pad their wallets? god you're a friggin idiot

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Originally by: Jordan Musgrat

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Once upon a time, there was a MMO developer named CCP. It was a small organization, who had the incredible vision to make one of the most epic sandbox games in the world. In fact, you could say that it is the most in depth game ever created, and you'd be right. But something began to go wrong, because the senior CCP members with this vision slowly started to filter out, and the newbies began to run the company. Over time, the vision changed, and here we are today, playing a game run by a massive company for profit rather than fun. I wish we still had competent devs in charge of balancing my EvE, but maybe they're on CCP's new A project, DUST, a new console title. I can only hope that DUST turns out to be epic, and that epicness justifies giving my EvE the Bteam devs.

To be more specific CCP, you need to fire some people. Balance is not about changing things around till they work, it's not about creating new ship classes to cover your mistakes, it's about looking at each ship individually, with regard to the way the game is played, then looking forward to the future, and trying to give us a balance of stats. There was once a time when you were in contact with the people who really played this game, and balanced it based on what they said. Now that's gone. CCP and EvE are 2 separate communities now, and I don't think there's any going back. You'd have to get ingame with your dev characters and fly around talking to people or something. Ya, no chance of that.

Once, you would have fixed your existing stuff before trying to create new stuff. Now, you either leave the existing broken stuff alone in favor of new shiny stuff, or you replace the broken stuff with new shiny stuff. You need a wakeup call, and I think that this patch may be it for you. The problem is, by the time most game developers finally come around and realize that they've well and truly ****ed their game over, it's too late.

If this goes through, I'll prolly be retiring. Not because I own a mothership, but because every single patch in the past 2-3 years has been about adding new stuff to attract more players. You've not tried to keep your existing ones. Fix the game for us loyal customers, or good luck getting new people to play. It's not that this 1 nerf is the end of the game. It's the unending stream of incompetence we see from you CCP that makes us want to find something else.

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Originally by: The Internets

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Originally by: Gnulpie

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The changes did occur on the 11.11.

This time marks the begin of the carnival season.

So it might be indeed a joke.



Sad thing is - and the high ranks of CCP should really worry about that - that most of the playerbase could absolutely believe CCP doing such crap for real (me inculding).

A lot of people lost faith in CCP and they don't trust the devs any more that they can make good game design decisions.

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By most of the playerbase you mean the 0.002% of people who fly these ships, right?

But no, obviously CCP loves to pull fast ones on people for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON AT ALL, right? Clearly they did this for fun, and don't have any long term plans that will result in rebalancings such as this prior in order to pave the way! They have no clue what they're doing, despite being pretty successful for the past 6+ years of this game. The random stupid idiots know better! Post more, because we are the armchair developers!

Bunch of morons the lot of you. Calm down instead of FROTHING AT THE MOUTH RAGE RARARA.

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Originally by: The Internets

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Edited by: The Internets on 12/11/2009 22:08:31

Originally by: Sarah Norbulk

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Hi, Mr.Troll. Nice to see you. Let me ask you a question. Do your mommy and daddy know that your using their computer? No. Well maybe you should get off and leave the discussion to the grown ups. Thank you.

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Since you must be illiterate, I am advocating that the doomsayers in this thread wait for CCP's official devblog explaining their reasoning comes out before declaring the end of the world, since the nerdrage in this thread at this moment in time is based off of incredibly little information.

What if CCP just wants to set some specific roles to capitals because they're planning on introducing T2 caps in the next expansion? Making supercarriers a mobile anti-capital platform while a mothership replacement is being designed? Etc? The thing is you don't know, so calm down and wait for a real answer. You people are the ones kicking and screaming; who are the children here?

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Originally by: Yosser Hughes

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Edited by: Yosser Hughes on 12/11/2009 22:50:45

Originally by: CCP Nozh

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Explosion Radius: 3500
Explosion Velocity: 45
Damage Reduction Factor: 6.5 (magic number)
Damage: 3600
-Nozh

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What the hell, have you no idea how missiles work at all? With a 3500 explosion radius, supercarriers will be doing %50 damage to dreads. Why bother buying a supercarrier at all when a cheaper, insurable dreadnought will do more damage in capital fights?

Put that Abathur dude back in charge, he seemed to know what the **** he was doing.

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Originally by: Artemis Rose

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Originally by: Graalum

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has there even been a single pro-change post in this thread?

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I will be pro change for this. I will actually buy an Aeon post patch if its around 6bil, because it a viable upgrade compared to a Carrier.

At 6bil, you get a Carrier, with more HP, more highslots and an EWAR immunity. Local Tank is better as well. Well worth the cost, can boost a fleet of them in true spider tank way (as carriers are intended). EVE is a game of diminishing returns, you pay a premium to get smaller upgrades.

All you need to do is view it like a upgraded Carrier, not the pwnmobile you had in mind.

It is a SUPPORT and it is a LOGISTIC ship. Why in New Eden should its DPS matter one bit?

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Originally by: HeliosGal

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i think the louder the whinage the more balanced ccp usually has it, and yes support ships are now more important. So all in all a good change ccp

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